To live is to cringe. There really is no antidote.
What happened to, um… JoCat? So many people were mad about the girls animation that they bullied him off the internet for a bit, and only after he was gone were they like “I agree with the cartoon, I just don’t like people knowing that about me.”
If you don’t mind me asking, what do you find embarrassing about building a sick-ass fuckin’ rube goldberg machine? I really can’t imagine somebody doing that without joy.
I’m suspicious of this… but I’m not sure why.
Are you under the impression that anti-porn advocates are just confused about the differences between being 9 and 16 years old?
Like, if you corrected them, they would say, “Oh, that’s fine then. Porn is all right.”
Do you think that explaining the difference between pedophiles and ephebophiles to the Paypal board of directors will convince them to stop pressuring Steam to delist porn games?
How does this conversation work in your mind?
C’mon. I’m not trying to make enemies of you.
What I’m saying is that you are diluting the emotional strength of the message under the pretense that a message too emotionally strong will be too much for some people to hear—which is ridiculous.
You said the message should carry emotional weight, didn’t you? If our opponents are against emotional manipulation, how can you guarantee ‘teenagers’ isn’t still too powerful for them? At what point do you cut them off as enablers of the wrong moral position?
By trying to play the semantics game early, before they’ve even said anything, you’re already ceding the argument that these semantics even matter. You can just skip the game entirely. If they try to play it with you, don’t.
People indifferent to pedophilia are concerned with the subtle differences between teenagers and very-young children—a distinction the law does not make because in the context of a 40-year-old predator it is irrelevant? What are you talking about?
If they say the child victims are partially to blame, you know, uh… rocks.
I called out them for the bullshit term, “underage women”, they they used.
Are any of them here? This discussion is only about strategy, and I’m telling you, this is not a direction worth going in.
Nobody likes tone policing. People do like big lawn chair moments: that is, when wrestler A gets tossed a lawn chair from the audience and uses it to beat wrestler B to the ground. Then they do like a big “hoorah” or something.
You’re letting them control the conversation.
You yourself said we should choose our words carefully because they would otherwise click their tongues at our methods. They’re wrong, who cares what they think? Just call them stupid. Say they’re deliberately missing the point because they’re pro-pedophilia. Get other people to do that and bully them out of the community.
You talk about strategy, but think about what you’re doing here: you’re bickering with people you ostensibly agree with, and not with them.
We should be horrified at rape period, no matter the age of the person it happens to.
Child rape happens even when the child consents because morally the child cannot consent. They are a special case for a reason. Their age is not irrelevant.
is just a cover to push these restrictive laws on us
Uh, what restrictive laws are you concerned about, hm? Is there something specific you’re concerned about not being allowed to do?
You undermine the very valid sentiment you are attempting to make with someone who will likely see your choice of words for what it is,
Yeah, and what you do with those people is you call them pedophiles and stupid and then you throw rocks at them.
Why are you capitulating to the enemy? You know they will deliberately misunderstand you at every turn, yes? There is no magic word spell you can cast that will make them see reason.
Nobody has to do anything. But this is fun, see? We’re pro fun around here.
I just like chastising people for being rude. People will, as a body politic, periodically pick up really negative attitudes about things, and that shit has got to be fought back. A strong, pro-social attitude is important to keep.
You’re bullying people now and you don’t even realize it. That’s why people are upset with you.
And yes, art. How are you collecting friends when all of them know you think they’re low-class simpletons just for keeping some pokemon cards instead of “correctly” larping as an intellectual?
You can’t vibe with someone who keeps a bunch of plushies on their bed? That’s fine. Whatever. Why do you think so negatively about your fellow people?
and you’re not gonna think he might be a tad infantile
The question is: why should I?
I don’t believe you’re more mature because you have fewer doorags, dude.
I do believe someone having this much contempt for keeping art in their house is a little weird.
They really did not like being called weird, yeah. You should, I dunno, read the news sometime.
Trump won. Their ways are already popular.
I mean, if I even agreed that the righteous and just weren’t allowed to show any contempt—this is a bit like saying Maga also breathe air, choke yourself—but even if I agreed: they won. The landscape is already different.
Yes.
Do you realize you are also spreading “right-wing ideas,” such as “we should not mock them, it would be very mean”? Curious. Interesting. Concerning.
I’m considering those who may still listen and the next generation.
That’s awesome. What is preventing you from doing this?
Unironically, the education you give should include how stupid the nazis actually were. Anything less would be lying, honestly. Can we not have a little fun? They’re a very stupid and insecure people.
I’m gonna be honest: you can’t. Education is dry, and dull, and boring, and exactly the kind of lame bullshit I’m talking about. Your strategy is the strategy of nerds and losers.
It’s not that it’s not worth doing. You are correct that education was my vaccine against the far right. But no one is listening. If you’re not drumming up energy, social momentum, no one is paying attention to you. Even people who agree with you are not really getting involved.
You need charisma. Mockery not only damages the rizz of your opponents, exposing them to be the rizzless, softboy soy-drinkers they always were, it also bolsters your own. It gets the crowd jumping and doing stadium waves and shit. I don’t know how else to say this, but people like displays of power. That is legit the only way fascists even win.
Long term, it would be great to educate these fickle-as-the-wind dipshits as I was, but that takes time. And, they have to already like you. If they don’t like you, they just won’t listen.
If you want to move populations, you need to wield the tools of social power. You cannot depend on the truth to do it for you.
You have to compete with the content they produce regardless. Speaking of Brandolini’s law, it’s much, much less effort to ridicule something than it is to factually debunk it.
Last I heard, masculinism is growing among them.
Yeah, because… masculinism is “cool” and “anti-lame.” So it should be mocked.
It’s really not that hard to see. When conservatives rage against “woke pussies” or whatever, they’re clearly rejecting some kind of perceived weakness. So when you mock them, and you damage their perception of strength, yeah, they flop around like fish gasping for air.
Because fascist popularity thrives on power, and ridicule disempowers them. It’s teenage “cool” vs “lame” politics.
You can cry about it being undignified or whatever, but it does work. See: teenagers.
Not that I would know, but don’t all medications build up tolerance?
Like, I was under the impression that medicinal benefits are like a side-effect to what the body might otherwise consider a foreign pathogen. Does acetaminophen not trigger any immune response?
I don’t mind condescending to AI salesmen.
If boss Kolanaki can’t replace you with AI, then why is AI passing your classes for you?
I get you want to burn the system, and yay, I love burning things, but it’s kind of irrelevant to the point being made.
Hm. Yeah, that’s a deep well to climb out of.
Well, I’m sure you know there’s no getting out of this prison without banging at the walls, right? :p I only learned to sing by challenging myself to be uncomfortable.
Do you find that it’s easier if you talk to people later and they’re like “no, I didn’t think anything was weird; it was a joy to be around you!” or is it like a “your brain wouldn’t believe them anyway” kind of thing?