On the contrary: society has repeatedly rejected a lot of ideas that industries have come up with.

HD DVD, 3D TV, Crypto Currency, NFT’s, Laser Discs, 8-track tapes, UMD’s. A decade ago everyone was hyping up how VR would be the future of gaming, yet it’s still a niche novelty today.

The difference with AI is that I don’t think I’ve ever seen a supply side push this strong before. I’m not seeing a whole lot of demand for it from individual people. It’s “oh this is a neat little feature I can use” not “this technology is going to change my life” the way that the laundry machine, the personal motor vehicle, the telephone, or the internet did. I could be wrong but I think that as long as we can survive the bubble bursting, we will come out on the other side with LLM’s being a blip on the radar. And one consequence will be that if anyone makes a real AI they will need to call it something else for marketing purposes because “AI” will be ruined.

Just because something happens doesn’t make it okay to generalize that behavior across an entire identity.

“Mansplaining” is a pretty mild example but we can look at other more extreme ones. One of the most classic is racists who love to say “Do you know 50% of crime is committed by 13% of the population?”, and use that as justification to the idea that black people are inherently more likely to be criminals. And they may occasionally walk it back and try to say shit like “not you, you’re one of the good ones”.

Or it’s like someone who feels as though they got taken advantage of in a business deal saying they got “jew’d”. And then trying to say “well no I’m not antisemitic, but I’ve personally seen and heard of Jews conducting business unfairly. And it’s common enough that the term has arisen, so it’s gotta be somewhat true. And if you are a Jew who conducts business fairly then I’m not talking about you”. If you encountered someone trying to say that, you would be quite correct to respond by saying “wow that’s actually really fucking antisemitic”. And this is the exact same thing you are trying to argue with the word “mansplaining”.

“Karen” is a character, a specific trope. It happens to be a woman, but there is no inherent generalization that all women are Karens. It’s gender-specific so I would use something gender-neutral instead, but it is not generalizing behavior across a group of people. The biggest issue with it is that it’s unfair to people named Karen. Also maybe it’s just me but I haven’t seen or heard anyone use this in a couple years now.

I haven’t heard anyone use the words “Phillistine” or “Luddite” as insults in probably more than a decade. If anything, I’ve seen the Luddites get a bit of a resurgence in popularity as an important early labor movement against capitalists. A lot of their concerns turned out to be true, and we are seeing parallels today with the rise of AI.

“Barbarian” means someone who is non-Greek, and later the Romans used it to mean someone who is non-Roman. This is a similar example to “retarded” where it is context-dependent. The word “mansplaining” does not stem from an inoffensive use like this, so I’m not sure why you’re bringing it up.

Eat the Rich and All Cops Are Bastards are fucking based, because being wealthy and being a class traitor are choices these individuals are making, not identities. I would call serial murderers monsters, and racists pieces of shit.

I’d say “nice try” but really this attempt kinda feels like you’re just throwing shit at the wall in the holes that something sticks. It’s almost impressive how hard you are fighting to feel good about using sexist microagressions.

I focus on bigoted thinking.

Who are you to judge which groups are the most or least impacted by anything?

If someone supports trans rights but hates black people I’ll call them a bigot. If you support women’s rights but hate men I’ll call you a bigot. This isn’t a quantitative evaluation. Bigotry is bigotry. It costs you nothing to stop using sexist language, whether that’s sexist against women or men.

Lol you have no idea what I focus on. You’re just reaching for a personal attack. Also it’s weird that you specify “white” men when I purposefully have not, because as far as I can tell there’s no racial component to the word “mansplaining”. Are you assuming that I’m white for some reason? I’m not sure if I’m white or not - kinda depends on who you ask.

Bigoted thinking is bigoted thinking, and I call it out when I see it. It’s fundamentally flawed. It’s bad science and bad statistics and leads to incorrect conclusions. It’s the same kind of thinking that eventually leads to bigger things. You cannot in good faith argue for fairness while allowing unfairness based on some arbitrary scale. You seem awfully comfortable turning a blind eye to prejudice when it doesn’t impact you.

You’re engaging in stereotypes, and stereotypes are harmful. Even positive ones, like the idea that Asians are good at math or women are nurturing.

The inequality people have suffered from bigotry throughout human history is horrible, but that does not justify bigotry against people who resemble old bigots.

You can say “minority teased”, but the modern word is “micro aggression”.

It’s pretty damning that most of the arguments you’re using here to justify the word are the same ones racist use to justify using the ‘N’ word, or any other bugot uses to justify their bigoted language.

So when someone says “hey did you know 50% of the crime is committed by 13% of the population”… Sounds like they are describing a common experience. So by that logic does that mean it’s not racist to say black people are criminals? If a black person got offended by that would you tell them “we don’t need to get #notallblackpeople” about this.

For large swaths of western history Jewish people had a disproportionate control of banks and the money supply. Does this mean that the conspiracy theories about Jewish cabals controlling the world aren’t anti-Semitic?

How common does an experience have to be by your logic in order to suddenly make generalization and prejudice acceptable? If one trans person gets caught sexually assaulting a woman in a public restroom does that mean JK Rowling was suddenly right all along?

And you clearly did not understand what I wrote. I came up with the closest examples I could think of and then explained how they were not applicable to the situation.

It seems like you really just want to be able to have a little bit of bigotry, a little bit of hatred. As a treat.

So your ex-husband was an asshole. Cool story, but the world is full of condescending assholes of all kinds and polite people of all kinds.

It doesn’t help that women are just more polite and more likely to let you finish talking even when they know everything lol

I was agreeing with you sooo heavily until this last paragraph. This is a biased generalization of women, and arguably an implied contrast to men.

I’ve never had this phrase used against me personally, but that’s probably because I don’t really talk much with bigots.

If we want to build a world that is equal and just for everyone, we cannot afford to keep perpetuating these hateful divisions. I understand that historically, the vast majority of oppressors have been cis (allegedly) straight men, and in the US and Europe they have been white as well. So for some it feels cathartic to lash out against groups that resemble their oppressors. Hurt people want to hurt others. As long as we perpetuate the cycle the same mistakes will keep repeating. But it’s also important to remember that anyone can be an oppressor. Peter Thiel is gay and leading the world into technofascism. Look up a list of the world’s richest person and yes, there’s a lot of white dude at the very top but if you scroll down a little bit you’ll find find Jensen Huang, Carlos Slim, and tons more non-white people. The women of the Walton and Koch families.

Progressives keep asking why they are losing elections, why so many young men are falling into incel or alpha male culture. There’s a lot of complicated reasons for that, but shit like this certainly isn’t helping.

It’s especially disheartening to look through the profiles of some people here who are arguing in favor of this sexism. Because most of the people here I agree with 99% of what they post and comment.

Imagine this was a microagression about any other identity group. Imagine some asshole joking about how Asians are bad drivers to a Chinese person. Imagine that Chinese person gets offended, and you tell them “it’s really hard for me to take you seriously”.

I don’t have any emotional trauma about this. I was raised exposed to a certain amount of toxic masculinity, and as I grew older and strive to become a better person I had to un-learn some bad habits. I didn’t just memorize what words were offensive or not, but gave a lot of thought and educated myself into WHY they were offensive. The word “mansplaining” alone is mild, but what it’s doing is singling put a specific identity group, then generally associating a negative connotation to the whole group. It’s offensive, it’s bad, and it should not be perpetuated.

Is that actually true? I’m struggling to think of any examples.

There are occasions where a technical term is used as a slur in casual conversations while still being perfectly acceptable in the original context. “Retarded” for example. That certainly does not apply here.

There’s some words that are more or less offensive in different English-speaking countries. “Cunt” and “Bloody” come to mind there. There’s also been some attempt at reclaiming “cunty” for women which… Eh, I’m just gonna stay away from that one.

“Mansplaining” is offensive from it’s very etymology. It’s baked into the word without cultural context. The word itself is formed from unnecessary and bigoted generation.

Yes.

There’s a lot of words people have created that have been deemed hateful, bigoted, and harmful. We call these “slurs”.

Lol autocorrect REALLY doesn’t like the word “harangue”

English already haz gender-neutral words for this. For an adjective, we have “condescending”. For a verb, we have pontificate, garage, bloviate, bluster, rant, etc.

Language changes and evolves over time, so we could also make a new word for this phenomenon. “Mansplaining” is unnecessary gendered slur.

Sounds like a conversation that devolved into generalization and prejudice, treating each other as symbols of their identifies rather than individuals.

I’m sure it happens. Tons of bigoted shit happens. That doesn’t make it okay.

No, it applies to “men”, and I identify as one.

That’s like whenever racists say shit like “hey did you know 50% of crimes are committed by 13% of the population?”, a black person calling out the racism, and then being dismissed by saying “well if you don’t commit crimes they aren’t talking about you”.

“Mansplaining” is sexist. It’s the equivalent of saying women are airheads, or gossips, or talk too much.

Is each man expected to just… Assume that everyone else shares their exact knowledge? Would such an assumption not therefore eliminate most communication entirely?

Or what if we decided to divide up groups by something other than gender. Would it be okay to say “asiansplaining” or “jewsplaining” or “gaysplaoning”?

Can a trans-man mansplaining? Can a trans-woman mansplain? Is there a separate category of “transplaining”?

Oh thanks I’ll have to give that a shot later!

I paid for my Windows license already, I think it was like $110. I’m not really interested in giving Microsoft any more money to continuing to use a product which is worse than the one I already paid for.

I actually use Cakewalk Sonar X2 mostly. Cakewalk went out of business and has been bought-and-sold and resurrected multiple times since I bought it back around 2014-ish. Whenever I built my desktop in 2019 it was kind of a miracle I was able to get the license activated- I forget what ended up working but I remember having to do a bunch of online searching through forum discussions to get it done.

I downloaded the trial version of Reaper on my Linux Mint machine and it’s… Okay. And to be fair at $60 it’s a lot cheaper than the $150 or so that I paid for Cakewalk. Considering I’m not doing anything professional that’s probably what I will go to eventually.

Sometimes I look at the pace of technological progress and think that humanity is moving too fast for its own good. There’s constantly new companies and new products starting up and then going bankrupt and obsolete in a couple of years. The Cakewall software I have is perfectly fine- it could run just fine on far weaker hardware, there aren’t any features in other modern software that I feel like I’m missing. It just feels so wasteful to have to spend time, energy, and money to switch to a new platform because capitalism dictates I must.

Alas, I am running the Home version. I did find in my research posts from sysadmins running the Enterprise version who seemed to have more luck permanently disabling it than I did.