None of what you’ve copypasted here would prove anything close to genocide

Lol, I think I specifically outlined that this was evidence of a minority group being suppressed, not genocide.

systematic oppression even if any of it were true

And what is your rebuttal to this sourced information? What evidence do you have to dispute any of the evidence I laid out?

For someone who is so anal about the sourcing of evidence, you seem to be lacking any kind of counter argument.

your “source” presents absolutely no evidence to support their claims, it’s literally just paragraph after paragraph of “trust me bro”.

Lol, what aspect of their write up are you rebutting? In the “paragraphs after paragraphs” of information you are rebutting they state they are utilizing information published by census data published by the Chinese government.

Your only source is also verifiably funded by the US and our allies,

Central European Initiative Eleanor Rathbone Charitable Trust European Union Evan Cornish Foundation Finnish Ministry for Foreign Affairs Foundation for International Law for the Environment International Development Research Centre International Research & Exchanges Board Irish Aid Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs Norwegian Agency for Development Cooperation Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Open Society Foundations Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency The Blanes Trust The Miaan Group The United Nations Democracy Fund The United States Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor The United Nations Population Fund Wellcome Trust

And much of these sponsors are also condemning the crimes sponsored by the US in Israel. Just accepting funding from an org doesn’t mean your evidence is by rote incorrect.

You are not rebutting any of the actual evidence, you’re just moralizing.

There is not “plenty of evidence”, there are plenty of wild claims and unverifiable stories,

“Xinjiang is a vast region with an area of 1.66 million km2. Until the 1950s, Uyghurs were the majority ethnic group in the region, accounting for more than 90 percent of the total population.”

“Between the 1940s and the 1980s, attempts to incorporate the region into the modern Chinese national state brought about a 2,500 per cent increase in the Han population. Today, Han and Uyghurs each account for approximately 40 per cent of Xinjiang’s total population of roughly 25.5 million. Clearly, the basic trajectory over the past decades has been one of moving Han rapidly into the region. This is coupled in more recent years with a significant shrinking of the Uyghur population.”

“The Han population in the region increased at an average rate of 8.1 per cent yearly, from 5 per cent in 1947 to around 40 per cent in 2000. Officially, Uyghurs comprise about 45 percent of Xinjiang’s permanent population with Han representing approximately 42 percent, and Kazakh, Hui and other ethnicities making up the rest. However, these figures belie the very high number of long-term resident and temporary Han migrant workers as well as thousands of security personnel in Xinjiang. They also obscure data from the 2020 Chinese Statistical Yearbook, showing that between 2017 and 2019 the birth rate in Xinjiang dropped approximately 48.7 per cent, from 15.88 per thousand in 2017 to 8.14 per thousand in 2019. The average for all of China was 10.48 per thousand.”

“The capital of the province itself went from being a city in which there were hardly any Han Chinese before 1949 to one in which the Uyghurs have been almost completely displaced. In addition, across Xinjiang, urban redesign projects have demolished hundreds of thousands of homes and resettled millions of Uyghur residents on the pretext of ‘civilization’ (文明) and ‘beautification’ (美化).”

“Since the mid-1990s, the gradual exclusion of Uyghurs from state-based employment – and the rising number of private jobs – is statistically verifiable from a variety of sources. While Han Chinese were able to secure employment, Uyghurs were kept out of construction jobs, road-building projects and oil and gas pipelines. Uyghurs with graduate degrees were only employed at an estimated 15 per cent, and, according to a 2013 study, Uyghurs earned an average of 59 per cent of what their Han counterparts earned.”

Source from Minority Rights Group

about a country& region that is currently completely open to foreign tourism no less.

"While Xinjiang is generally open to international tourism, there are specific travel restrictions and measures in place, particularly for certain groups and areas. Generally, foreigners do not need a special permit to enter Xinjiang, but they do need a valid Chinese visa. However, there are restrictions on travel in specific areas, and increased security measures are common, especially in major cities. "

You admit you don’t believe there’s a genocide occuring, yet still choose to believe the people/organizations making these claims despite the fact that all of them claim that a genocide is occuring.

You can still massively suppress a minority group without committing what is commonly thought to be a genocide.

Just because I don’t completely agree with the conclusions made from a body of evidence doesn’t mean the evidence is invalid.

Han chauvinism existing does absolutely nothing to prove the specific accusations being presented. When a government chooses to target a minority population it invariably results in physical evidence, see Palestine for examples.

What accusations of mine are you denying?

As I said there is plenty of evidence to confirm that a minority group is being put into concentration camps for "reeducation " and that they are being forced to move away from their traditional homeland. This isn’t even being denied by the Chinese government, they just validate it as a way to control what they lable as terrorism.

The evidence I provided is sourced by an organization that also documents the crimes currently occuring in Gaza.

should be more than enough reason for any reasonable person to disregard these stories until such evidence is presented.

As I said, there’s plenty of evidence that’s been cross referenced and verified by dozens of advocacy groups who often stand against America’s foreign policy. Most of the evidence comes from internal documents created by the Chinese government itself.

I don’t have any specific prejudice against the Chinese government, it like any government does things that I agree with and disagree with. You on the other hand don’t seem to be able to get over your own biases.

There is plenty of evidence widely available from organizations like human rights watch and amnesty international. Claims that deny any evidence exist of the persecution of China’s Muslim population rely on logical fallacies to attempt to obscure the validity of the body of evidence. Namely ad hominem attacks against the individual who first gathered the evidence to begin with.

While the researcher obviously has biased opinions about the CCP, that doesn’t affect the validity of the evidence gathered, most of which comes directly from publicly available information released by the CCP itself, or from leaked internal communication from party members that have been widely verified by reputable journalists and organizations specializing in human rights violations.

While I personally wouldn’t claim that there is a genocide as we traditionally understand it has occurred, it’s hard to deny that the Uyghur people aren’t being systemically oppressed or that significant human rights violations haven’t occurred.

Simply looking at publicly available census data releases by the CCP we can tell that Uyghur people are being driven from culturally important sites that are being replaced by ethnically Han Chinese, and that Uyghur populations have been shrinking at a worryingly abnormal rate.

If we look at recent history of ethnic conflict within China in tibet, Manchuria, and inner Mongolia, I fail to see why it’s logical to assume that the accusations of crimes against humanity is pure propaganda.

Han chauvinism is well documented, and even Mao Zedong spoke about how it would negatively affect the future of the party. Ethnic conflict/cleansing has been a constant in the region and is part of the foundational history of modern China.

Xinjiang is literally completely open to foreign tourism

No it’s not, large parts of xinjiang require permits to visit, or are still completely blocked to outsiders.

Also, there is plenty of evidence to verify that systemic abuse of minority rights has and still is occurring in China. You deny any of it is valid.

Be prepared to be assassinated by a jr level manager from Black Rock. Keep your head on a swivel. Bryce played lacrosse for Princeton, he don’t miss son.

Ahh yes, another untapped market! Inspirational chachkies for billionaires.

We’ve known for years that starting school at 08.00 is detrimental to school-aged children and teenagers, but we keep doing it.

Yeah, but we also know school is more about free childcare that allows both parents to go to work than it is about actual education.

We’ve known for years that WFH can be just as productive and even more so than RTO, but we keep doing it.

We also know that a large part of the real estate market is dependent on leasing office space.

We’ve known for ages that housing homeless people helps them and society much better than criminalizing them, but we keep doing it

Again, creating more homes drives down property value.

We’ve known for ages that repressive stances on drugs are counterproductive, but we keep doing it.

It also creates jobs for police officers, income for private prisons, and strips minorities of their rights.

We’ve known for ages that a 4-day workweek results in gains for everyone, including the owner class themselves, yet we keep on doing 5.

This is once again an issue with the real estate market. Cutting the work week also cuts into profits of companies dependent on demand made from people commuting to and from work.

starting to think that gaining knowledge and insight is completely useless if the results are never taken into account if they don’t fit the currently reigning narrative.

It’s not that we don’t take account of the results, it’s just that the results do not benefit the nonsensical economic system we’ve adapted to. Our system does not create value from the things we have, it creates value from the things we withold.

Gotta feed your hounds if you want to sic your attack dogs on someone. At this point there is going to be some sort of judicial or legislative confrontation whether it be meek or consequential. Midterms will be here sooner or later and he needs his constituents to feel like they are being attacked, he needs to feel like they need him to defend their ways of life.

Putain has zero intention of ending this without the full and complete subjugation of Ukraine.

Even if Russia subjugated the entirety of Ukraine, they still couldn’t afford to stop. They’ve completely transitioned to a war time economy and have isolated all foreign capital.

If Putin decides to end the campaign in Ukraine, it would just mean that they’re about to invade somewhere like Slovenia. They’re economy couldn’t handle the transition into a regular economy without imploding.

You seem to be either confused or unable to stay on topic. My point was that servers are paid by the hour which you confirm by stating the exact rates. What is your point? That they don’t get paid a lot? I’m aware, it’s why I don’t go to these places.

So you agree with my original claim…? What the hell have you been bitching about then?

Is this supposed to somehow guilt me into wanting to tip?

No, my entire point was that if you don’t want to tip, don’t go to a place where the employees rely on tips to make a living. If you do go to a place where they rely on tips, you should tip even if you don’t like the concept.

If a server doesn’t make enough money, that’s between them and their employer like in literally (and I mean literally, not figuratively) every other industry.

Yeah, because systemic poverty is a problem solved by personal responsibility…

A lot of people would love to not work for tips, but never had the resources or education to get a better career.

Oh, it’s just the system, nothing we can do! We have to conform to the system because the owners don’t care!" is exactly what greedy restaurants owners are hoping you’ll say and you perpetuate this system by repeating it over and over.

Or…like I originally said, don’t support those restaurants. Better yet, support politician and unions that aim to protect workers. My whole point is that we shouldn’t make it the workers problem.

I’m not even going to read the rest of you strawman argument, you’ve already agreed with my original claim. The rest of what you’ve said is just cognitive dissonance. You have been simultaneously saying it’s not okay to frequent tip based restaurant, but have also been defending stiffing waiters. So it seems like you are just angry and confused, I don’t think talking about this with you anymore is going to be productive in any sense.

If I’m not being tipped for waiting a table, I still get paid hourly wages, meaning I get money for that table or any other I wait during my work hours.

The hourly rate for most servers is less than minimum wage, which is already too low to make a living off of. Like I said, I don’t think you know how this works. You can legally pay a server $2.13 an hour in most states so long as what ever tips they make the rest of the day average to $7.25 an hour.

Do you think restaurant owners waste servers’ time by underpaying them?

I think they take advantage of their labour, just as people like yourself do.

You already agreed that tipping doesn’t end tipping culture, so your act doesn’t really make sense now.

Act? My claim is that if you don’t like tipping, don’t go to restaurants where servers rely on tips to make a living.

I don’t employ servers, so it is in no way my responsibility to pay their wages. I’m responsible for paying for the food and service that I receive. The owner is responsible to pay for the labour they receive. Rather simple in concept, really.

Lol, it’s also very simple to see that the system we currently utilize is inadequate and is geared towards maximizing profits to the owner, and that is not the fault of the server who is just trying to make a living.

It’s fine if you’re OK with picking up someone’s employer’s tab, I won’t. Just don’t confuse who’s exploiting who just because you so desperately want to shift the blame away from the restaurant owner.

I don’t tip because I’m fine with “picking up the owners tab”. I tip because I know that the only person who loses in the situation is the worker. The owner doesn’t care if you tip or don’t tip, he gets his money either way. I’m not shifting the blame from the owner, they are of course exploiting the worker. However, so are you if someone is working in the expectation of compensation and then receives none. I’m guessing you don’t tell the waiter you don’t believe in tipping before the service…?

the system surely sucks but apart from shaming customers into shelling out for what you systematically withhold, there’s just nothing that could be done :(" Does your family own a restaurant or something?

Or …you could go to the many restaurants that don’t rely on tips to pay their workers. That is the only way to actually fight tipping culture, by rewarding your patronage to an owner who utilizes a labour system you believer in.

An no, my family doesn’t own a restaurant. I used to work as a chef while I worked my way through school, and I know how feast or famine things can be for people working up front. I’ve known people who couldn’t make rent because they had a bad day. I have basic empathy for my fellow workers.

“I haven’t frequented tipped restaurants in 20 years”

You said you haven’t participated in tipping culture for 20 years, based on your other shitty opinions, I figured that could mean you just haven’t tipped for 20 years. Also, I don’t really think someone who defends stiffing wait staff so vehemently online would really have a problem with taking advantage of their labour in real life and lying about it on the web.

To be honest you just seem like a person incapable of empathy, like some sort of libertarian sleezball. Anyways, have fun being a miserable ass.

Oh, wow. Suddenly they’re not being paid at all only because one person doesn’t tip? How does that work?

Lol, I’m guessing you’ve never worked in a restaurant before? If you are taking one of their tables and they are having to serve you, and you don’t tip…they don’t get money for that table and whatever time you used it for. If you hadn’t taken up the table, they may have gotten a customer who wasn’t an asshole.

Not tipping wastes nobody’s time

It wastes the servers time, but you don’t seem to think that matters.

which I turned around on you, though.

How, by being wrong?

I don’t exploit anybody’s labour by not tipping since I’m not getting paid to eat out. You understand that.

Tipping is wrong because it turns over the responsibility of labour expense to the customer. You, the customer are denying that labour expense and leaving the labourer unpaid for their labour. Meaning you are participating and taking advantage of their labour.

Why didn’t I think of that and not do it for the last 20 years?

Lol, you are still participating in the tip culture if you give your business to places that rely on tipping, but don’t tip. The owner still gets paid and doesn’t give a shit if the server does or not.

And if you are saying you don’t go to places that accept tips, then why are you even fucking talking to me? My whole point was that people who don’t like tipping culture shouldn’t go to places that accept tips.

the same server still doesn’t get tipped.

They may have more time or availability for someone who does tip, plus they aren’t wasting their labour on someone.

You’re not ending tipping culture by tipping, either. Just saying.

Yeah, but I never claimed I was attempting to end tipping culture by wasting people’s time and effort.

Again, why not just support businesses that don’t rely on tipping to pay their staff?

Lol, I’m sure your reasoning is really going to make a difference to the person depending on tips to make rent. And I’m sure the owner is just going to feel terrible that his server didn’t get compensated.

Maybe you should just avoid giving your business to restaurants that exploit the tip based system? You aren’t ending tipping culture by not tipping, you’re just taking advantage of workers just as much as the owners.

Imo you acquire a taste for it if you ever have a job that starts too early and has readily free coffee available.

America actually has plenty of rare earth deposits, it’s just not profitable to mine them and then build facilities to refine them.

Lol, we aren’t going to be mining anything. Rare earth minerals aren’t rare because they’re only located in isolated places, they’re rare because they are only present in small amounts when mining other materials.

The hard part is the refining of rare earth minerals because it requires large investments in refineries to separate the materials and consolidate them. Infrastructure that Ukraine or America haven’t invested in.

The minerals deal is just something that trump can point to as a “win” when in reality it’s not worth anything. Just like everything this administration does, it’s nothing but smoke and mirrors.

Any examples of orthopedists forgetting to install hardware…? Not exactly sure how you would go about forgetting to do the surgery you are currently doing. Nor can I really understand how not installing orthopedic hardware would really endanger a patient’s overall health.

Like I said mistakes happen, but generally it’s forgetting to take something out, not forgetting to put something in.

Really unlikely… It would be hard to miss a shattered tibia if you are already placing hardware in the fibula. Orthopedic surgery isn’t really a gentle process, you are usually really moving the limb around a lot and limbs get really floppy when you have unsupportive fractures.

Plus, all hardware is tagged and tracked before, throughout, and after the operation. Mistakes happen, but it usually involves accidentally leaving a foreign body, and usually involves supplies that aren’t specific to the individual surgery like gauze, sponges, or clamps.

Prob not, osteomyelitis is pretty nasty and would have been cause for revisional intervention. The limb would have been visibly swollen and the post op wounds prob would have been weeping a bunch of nasty pus.