Oh that’s fun, you ignored all the rest.

I didn’t say they were extremists, I said they held some fundamental beliefs. The ones I see that are modern american Muslims, maybe once a week, it’s gone down since college for sure.

Bonus answer: no way, people don’t all wear religious clothing? Where did you get the impression I said I knew someone was Muslim by eyesight? I see a few Sikhs, sure, but most Muslim men, where I am, don’t where traditional clothing, maybe some handmade shirts from their trips back home but they’re still collared shirts and buttons ups in a western style. I have met maybe two women who are Muslim that don’t wear some kind of religious attire, be that a headwrap or a niqab. They also drank beer and were fond of the occasional midnight bacon burger, so they were far from being very devout.

Got more?

Maybe, it’s not what I see every day. I meet fundamentalists all the time, even if they don’t consider themselves one. Do US Christians practice fundamentalist christianity to the tee? No, they wear polyester and don’t properly take the sabbath and go off the rails about the 10 commandments all the time. But they THINK they adhere to the faith they were raised in. Even my progressive Muslim friends in college still held some ass-backwards beliefs they didn’t shed because, to them, that’s still modern interpretation or socially acceptable interpretation of their religious text.

You write like I’m painting all Muslims as regressive. Please, consider instead that I’m saying all religions, at their root, are regressive and it is the shedding of those beliefs that lead to a more modern form of that religion, but it does not entirely root out the thoughts/beliefs that founded the faith.

Ask a progressive Muslim what they think about child marriage as it relates to the prophet, or a Baptist Christian what they think about homosexuality, or a hassidic Jew what they think about the modesty of today’s clothing. You’ll get regressive answers from just about every single one, or, that’s been my experience.

All religions I’ve read about so far, that I can recall, are. Islam is, christianity is. If Abraham was a cornerstone to your stories, there’s a good chance there’s some oppression there.

Oppressing your slaves by allowing them to exist at all and the determinations of who CAN be kept. Oppressing your daughters with religious traditions about marriage and subservience to your parents/husband. I can go on, not that this is strictly about Islam, this applies just about everywhere when applied from a fundamentalist viewpoint, and even those that don’t still harken to societal norms built on those fundamentalist values (tons of my Muslim friends in college had big fights about the white women they were bringing home…from the rural US where white women are the most common women for them to meet). Crazy business to not see that

The shirt was a pro-feminism message that’s reportedly been used by groups in the past.

If you’re religion is, unfortunately, tied to oppression of rights, then I give 0 fucks if someone makes a statement or shirt or whatever about those messages.

Don’t shit on religious people for their nice beliefs, like don’t play thrash metal on blast in the parking lot of a bakesale for the church. But anythjng about it’s messaging or reach or the negative aspects and I’m all game.

Yeah, so far it’s seems like they get upset if you say their opinions are shit but also get upset if you provide decent arguments, because then they have to bend themselves over backwards to discredit you.

“BUT YOU CHERRY PICKED AN EVENT”

You said give examples, not list the number of times it’s happened alphabetically. Plenty of ‘failed’ protests reach this person, and they never once check back in on the news story to see that the ‘radical’ action was one of the only effective methods for many of those causes.

Hell, even conservatives got together and trashed a political building, and all of them got pardons and a few got jobs out of the ordeal.

I’m fine with ‘they’, but I think you’re misrepresenting the very real problem that is inserting a 3rd-person pronoun as a personal pronoun due to the existing patterns ingrained and interpreted through speech.

It doesn’t hurt me to try and make the conscious change, I do actively try for the people in my life, but it DOES flow weird in my brain and takes more mental effort to keep straight. At least, it still does, it might get easier with more time, I don’t know.

And my neighbors are rural Trumpers. I still don’t grasp what the hell it is they’re after.

Big data, plot points from individuals, statistical regressions. That’s what you need to make those claims. If not, it’s personal anecdotes, personal anecdotes from someone who lived in the geographical region, yes, but just anecdotes.

Yeah I’d agree with the idea that a society historically repressed would slingshot to nude beaches right away. I just wouldn’t make commentary on how likely a populace of oppressed people might seek freedoms and make the same mistake of assuming what their culture is when neither of us has heard what the people of said country wants.

I don’t labor under the belief that anyone operating in an area that fraught with fundamentalist religious groups controlling all key functions of society actually KNOW what their own culture is. If half your population can’t speak freely, you don’t have an accurate view of your people’s beliefs.

Why can’t it be both? You broke down some pretty huge arguments regarding people’s existences into 'tokenism, but ignore the legitimate harm and suffering experienced by those groups at the hands of people who, although may not all be legitimately evil people looking to ‘destroy identifies’, but do have significant complaints about the existence of other groups in society and what acceptance of those seemingly fringe elements means for society. Break it into Rich vs Poor all you want, but I’ve met bigots of all classes and I don’t think it’ll stop anytime soon after toppling a class regime. If we all suddenly had access to the wealth the rich have extracted from us, I genuinely believe that the common asshole would have their tax bracket increase by three sizes, not their hearts.

“You’ve never worked a tipped job have you?”

Proceeds to describe an illegal situation

That’s not. How. Tipped. Wages. Work.

Why do people insist that you get paid 2.10/hr? That’s 2.10/hr + Tips IF AND ONLY IF that wage equals more than minimum wage. That’s how it’s always been.

If minimum wage is 7.25 (in a lot of states, it still is), then they are paid 7.25x40 OR 2.10x40+tips, whichever of those two numbers is higher. They CANNOT LEGALLY PAY YOU less than minimum wage.

So when people say “If you stopped tipping today, all that would be hurt is the tipped workers” I’m less inclined to believe them if they also parrot absolutely false information without a second thought.

But I do agree with you, tipped wage jobs suck, and the tips seem to be the only benefit. So, let’s ensure they get a proper wage from their employer, stop tipping, and if service sucks until things are figured out, I guess I’m eating at home or eating shitty-service burgers because I’d rather the system get un-fucked than continue to engage in that system.

But the question then becomes…how many clowns have you let inside you?

“Damn, my finger slid right in, what are you, some kind of little butt slut” - your doctor, probably